马索 发表于 2010-9-21 12:43

不过感觉这款头灯厂商是用心了,只不过用心的方向不对。

ManChow 发表于 2010-9-21 13:34

F还是嫩了。。。
简单问题复杂化了,这么多零件,表面上看用料足,实际上徒增不可靠性

去看看猛犸09年得户外大奖的头灯。整个电池盒就一个硅胶套。防水减重。


塘鹅的塑料也不是他家的,GE的塑料,看厂家肯不肯花 ...
马索 发表于 2010-9-21 12:43 http://shoudian.org/images/common/back.gif

马索兄说的是对的,对于头灯,马索兄很有发言权{:1_268:}

没错,我也说了,在头灯这一门相对比较专业的领域上面,Fenix也真的是新手入门,我也和他们的领导谈起过,他们也在很努力的学习,而他们的心态都是很好、很认真的,这一点在这个HP20头灯上面,也可以体现出来。

说到头灯这一门玩意,无论价钱和定位,HP20也只能说是专业领域的入门级,好的国外头灯品牌,真的是很专业很专业的那一种,而价钱也非常昂贵,就看看以下这个得到2010年度的户外大奖的瑞典头灯,大家就知道距离了:

http://www.silva.se/PageFiles/19981/MFO_logo_Award_2010_4C.jpg



Silva Ninox™ headlamp – powerful light in a waterproof housing awarded with prestigious OutDoor INDUSTRY AWARD 2010
http://webserver.ifdesign.de/upload/award_img_215/conv_64809_02_Silva_ninox_headlamp_camo.jpg


The Silva Ninox™ is the most technical and advanced headlamp in Silva’s outdoor series, designed to withstand the toughest of conditions. It has a strong powerful light loaded in a waterproof compact headlamp featuring the Silva Intelligent Light® technology ensuring a light image with both a strong, focused distance light and a wide-angle flood light for close vision. iF International Forum Design Hannover has awarded Silva Ninox™ with OutDoor INDUSTRY AWARD 2010 for it’s particularly innovative design and above-average product quality.

Durable with a housing for the most demanding outdoor enthusiasts the Silva Ninox™ headlamp is waterproof to IPX7, a standard feature in this series, and is equipped with the Silva Intelligent Light® technology, for a functional light image in any situation. One high power LED and two wide beam performance LEDs provide a combination of close area light to see where you set your feet with a power beam of 70 Lumens up to 40 meters distance. The six different light modes provide flexibility and a possibility to extend the battery time. The first mode is a powerful RED light for situations when preserved night vision is crucial.
Silva Ninox™ runs on three AAA-batteries. The battery life is 30 hours on the strongest light mode, switching down gives up to 90 hours to ensure long light time. A large power button on top gives easy manageability with gloves on.

The weight of this headlamp is only 80g including batteries and headband. When it’s not in use Silva Ninox™ can be stored in the Silva Cocoon™ storage pouch integrated in the headband, effectively keeping it from getting tangled up inside a pocket or backpack.

光光看看这牌子收纳头灯的包包,也很有看头:

ManChow 发表于 2010-9-21 13:38

周团辛苦了,中秋快乐!
lyd623 发表于 2010-9-21 12:27 http://shoudian.org/images/common/back.gif谢谢兄弟,中秋大家快乐,愿各位朋友人月两团园{:1_260:}

马索 发表于 2010-9-21 13:42

忘了说了,周团辛苦

这些照片至少要耗费半天以上的精力。

马索 发表于 2010-9-21 13:42

再顶下

我现在越来越懒了。。。

ManChow 发表于 2010-9-21 13:46

忘了说了,周团辛苦

这些照片至少要耗费半天以上的精力。
马索 发表于 2010-9-21 13:42 http://shoudian.org/images/common/back.gif客气了兄弟,呵呵{:1_270:}

ManChow 发表于 2010-9-21 13:54

再来看看Silva在09年Outdoor Industry Award的得奖作品 - Trail Runner ,是专门设计给Runner用的,这样的设计理念,我估计,国人起码落后十到二十年以上。

http://webserver.ifdesign.de/upload/award_img_195/conv_52014_01_Trail_3.jpg

http://webserver.ifdesign.de/upload/award_img_195/conv_52014_02_Trail_4.jpg

The ultralight Silva Trail Runner headlamp allows you to exercise anywhere, at any time. The ergonomic headset with an extra wide, anti-slip band remains comfortably in place when running on bumpy ground. The two AA battery-pack is lightweight enough to fit on the headband; combined with the minimal lamp weight it’s perfect for training. Trail Runner features Silva Intelligent Light® technology comprising both a strong light for distance, and the floodlight necessary for close-up vision.

• Battery life: 24h
• Max lumens: 80Lumens
• Light distance: 45m
• Weight: 135g
• Water resistance: IPX6
• Beam pattern: Intelligent Light®

Use Trail Runner for:
• Running

ManChow 发表于 2010-9-21 13:59

法国的PETZL,在头灯界的地位很高,这是他们08年Outdoor Industry Award的得奖作品

PETZL ULTRA BELT HEADLAMP

http://webserver.ifdesign.de/upload/award_img_160/conv_41880_01_E53_AC.jpghttp://webserver.ifdesign.de/upload/award_img_160/conv_41880_02_E55960.jpg



Ultra-powerful headlamp,3 brightness levels,ACCU 4 ULTRA remote rechargeable battery Ultra-powerful and ergonomic headlamps designed for rapid movement and endurance activities.ULTRA BELT offers ultra-powerful,regulated lighting(350 lumens)and a wide and intense beam that will last for the entire activity.Designed for action,the ULTRA BELT is held securely on the head.The weight carried on the head is reduced to a bare minimum (230 g) To achieve this,it comes with a remote battery pack that can easily be carried in a pocket or on the ULTRA harness.ULTRA BELT is extremely reliable:in all weather conditions,The power level is easily verified

ManChow 发表于 2010-9-21 14:41

除了以上的品牌,Black Diamond,普琳斯顿Princeton Tec,马素兄提到的瑞士Mammut,都是头灯级别响当当的品牌;而Streamlight, Surefire也有他们自己出的头灯,Silva、Mammut就是户外用品的大户,头灯只是他们户外用品事业的一部分。

所以,头灯这一界别,还真真正正是高手云集。

以下是Mammut的其中一个得奖作品,X-Zoom Black

http://flashlightnews.org/images2/Mammut_X-Zoom_Headlamp.jpg

Powerful and precise. The Zoom-function focuses the divergence-angle of the light between 5 and 45 degrees, allowing you to select the range and field-of-view to match the situation - simply by a twist of the hand. Three brightness-levels always provide the best light, with light-ranges between 120 meters and 10 meters.

ManChow 发表于 2010-9-21 14:57

猛犸Mammut另一个很负盛名的头灯Lucido TX1,06年的产品,一样拿Outdoor Industry Award大奖。该产品非常有特色,在当时推出来的时候,反应很好,不但名牌头灯参考他的设计,也做就了很多的国外国内的山寨去仿效他,连Energizer也抄Lucido的TX1,出了不同的头灯,去攻平价头灯市场。

其实,Lucido本来是一个德国的头灯品牌,是Mammut把他整个品牌收归旗下所有

http://www.mammut.ch/images/TX1_bild1.eps_Zoom.jpeg

ManChow 发表于 2010-9-21 15:10

好了,一下子说了那么多的国外名牌头灯,只是想给大家知道一下,现在头灯的主流是怎么样的一回事。

而HP20,您说他聪明也好,不聪明也好,很明显,在设计方面,走的不是主流头灯在走的路。

这或者这可以给头灯市场带来一个新的冲击、新的局面,又或者会给品牌头灯大腕嗤之以鼻。。。但是,Fenix终归是走出了结结实实尝试的这一步,而且很用心地在做这HP20,不管市场反应如何,这起码是对国产品牌来说,起了一个面向高端世界头灯界的带头作用。

不过,带这个头也很不容易,我可以肯定,这头灯的前期开发成本,是非常厉害的,少一点底气,也开发不出来。

zhangkais 发表于 2010-9-21 16:05

喜欢看周团的文章,也喜欢看“马索”的文章,没想到被版主禁言了。祝周团中秋快乐!

wtwvip 发表于 2010-9-21 16:36

BrightL 发表于 2010-9-21 16:44

头灯有意思 好多强大的头灯

ManChow 发表于 2010-9-21 17:01

喜欢看周团的文章,也喜欢看“马索”的文章,没想到被版主禁言了。祝周团中秋快乐!
zhangkais 发表于 2010-9-21 16:05 http://shoudian.org/images/common/back.gif谢谢兄弟,也祝兄弟中秋节快乐!{:1_260:}

ManChow 发表于 2010-9-21 17:02

这样的“广告”看起来很有意思。
wtwvip 发表于 2010-9-21 16:36 http://shoudian.org/images/common/back.gif呵呵是瓦。。我建议您去举报{:1_270:}

木藏手 发表于 2010-9-21 17:18

发表点个人意见:
  1、这种电池仓和头灯分离,用延长线连接的设计很不好,在实际探洞时比较麻烦(特别是狭小空间)。如果把走线放在衣服外,容易被其它物体勾挂;如果从衣服内走线,在做很多动作时会因为线长问题 ...
zm78417 发表于 2010-9-21 10:19 http://www.shoudian.org/images/common/back.gif

这个观点很赞同,不光是探洞,日常丛林穿越,肯定会挂住。唯一的好处是,跳跃等剧烈运动可以减少头部重量,但是夜晚,很少会有这样活动吧。

ManChow 发表于 2010-9-21 17:39

据我理解,这个HP20,是Fenix应严寒地区的客户要求而开发出来的,它的设计,也最主要针对以在寒冷地区能连续使用为主;所以,电池盒便采用了分离的设计,目的是为了使电池盒可以放在衣服里面,从而避免电池因为经受超低温而不能够正常工作。

dengtuzi 发表于 2010-9-21 18:08

发表点个人意见:
  1、这种电池仓和头灯分离,用延长线连接的设计很不好,在实际探洞时比较麻烦(特别是狭小空间)。如果把走线放在衣服外,容易被其它物体勾挂;如果从衣服内走线,在做很多动作时会因为线长问题 ...
zm78417 发表于 2010-9-21 10:19 http://www.shoudian.org/images/common/back.gif

这个头灯的设计应该是在高寒时候用的,可以通过体温的支撑使得电池的活性不至于下降太多。

zzz 发表于 2010-9-21 18:08

延长线连接的设计在严寒环境下可以有效保护电池。
不同设计,不同用途。

Au Vieux Campeur是法国最大户外系列店。这里有各种头灯。供参考。
http://www.auvieuxcampeur.fr/catalog/category/view/p/4/order/price/dir/asc/id/3604/
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